JB- I'm intrigued, and perhaps you are too, about how obsessed the world is with celebrity. The amount of magazines and shows - you've got one on TV, I've got one on radio -- we dedicate so much time to focusing on these people. Why? What's your take?

BM- What fascinates me the most is a few years ago when they launched… there was always Us Weekly and People magazine and things like that. But I don't know if you noticed, about four or five years ago the number of celebrity-focused magazines quintupled or something like that. All of a sudden you had Star and OK and Hello and InTouch. And InTouch had a spinoff magazine. And what they realized is they weren't dividing up the pie, the pie was just too small to begin with. And then TMZ and TMZ.com, and the paparazzi have become an entirely different beast than they were a few years ago. The news cycle, with regard to celebrity culture isn't 24 hours anymore, it's down to minutes. People need it all the time. I cannot understand it. I think there is an aspirational aspect to our obsession with them. I think there's a voyeuristic aspect to it. I think there is a dreamlike quality we associate with celebrity. And also, we love to see success, but more so we love to see people fail and bring themselves back up and it's the epic nature of the lives they lead. Everything is bigger, everything is louder, everything is more beautiful and the stakes are higher and I think people want to feel like they're part of it.

TK- I think they're a little out of control, but granted it's a vicious cycle. I mean, there are celebrities whose publicists plant… they'll send out a message to the paparazzi saying, My client's going to be here. And, you know what, if celebrities do not want to be seen, they can move under the radar. Brad and Angelina move under the radar when they want to. If they want to be out in the press, they'll kind of show them places or let it be known with all of their children that they're out shopping somewhere. They'll be easier to track. If you don't want to be tracked, I think it's very possible for you to not be in Hollywood. Just to blame the paparazzi all the time, I mean, they're kind of feeding each other. One is paying for the other one's bills and the other one is… you know, vice versa -- it's a vicious circle, for sure. I think when it comes to children -- celebrity's children -- I have a problem with paparazzi trying to get the money shot. Especially if they're driving like maniacs on the freeway or hiding in bushes or climbing in trees of the celebrity's home. That's a little bit much. But I guess once you're out on public territory like a sidewalk or shopping mall, it's free game maybe? I don't know.

JB- It's one of those things like, do you have privacy if you're out in public? But then again, you're in the limelight, you're a familiar face.

TK- Right, and that's part of the job and it kind of comes with what you do.

JB- You've been in the trenches when it comes to the reporting aspect. I'm not sure if you've actually chased them like they do in the United States…

TK- (laughing)

JB- Which celebrity… or wait, have you?

TK- You know who I did chase at one point… it wasn't really… I was walking really briskly beside her: Sandra Oh during the writers' strike. And I was in L.A. with my camera guy, there were swarms of people trying to get a clip from her -- eTalk, CNN, and I can't remember what other outlets. She had not planned to do an interview so we were all trying to, like, walk along side her and throw our mikes in her face, but man, that was a hard one. And I almost fell and broke my neck because I was walking backwards. But that's always fun, you know.

JB- They don't teach you that in broadcasting school.

TK- No, no they don't teach you how to walk briskly. (laughing)

JB- All those people out there who don't realize what a dangerous job this is.

TK- It's a totally dangerous job. A lot of people think this is so glamorous all the time. It is fabulous but, come on, you know. You know, Jeremy, it can get pretty dirty.

JB- It's not fun getting into your camouflage gear and hiding in trees.

TK- Right! (laughing) Exactly. It can get pretty gritty but, you know, I love that so it's OK.

JB- Speaking of getting nitty gritty, what would you say is the best celebrity hookup of the year?

TK- Hmm… Oooh…Celebrity hookup. Well, I guess the most interesting -- and that would be relative -- but I guess Samantha Ronson and Lindsay Lohan.

JB- That's what I was going to say.

TK- I guess that would be the most intriguing hookup because we're still trying to figure out if it's legit. All these things have been leaking out about Samantha and lawyers getting involved and Samantha having possibly just exploited this relationship to better her career. I don't know, it's all nonsense. It's very Hollywood, actually. It's very apropos.

JB- I'm still trying to track down Urkel.

TK- (laughing) Isn't he doing some weird… I thought he was doing porn or something, or did porn at one point.

JB- Wouldn't have lasted long if he needed those suspenders to keep himself up! But you've got your ear to the wall more so than I do.

TK- (laughing) I was watching one of those "where are they now" kind of shows. What is Urkel doing?

JB- It was on the Spice channel, wasn't it? (laughing)

TK- (laughing harder) Nice.